How to Start a Writing Group You’ll Love and Get the Feedback You Need

For most of the past decade, I’ve been in one writing group or another. Mostly for fiction, although I’ve also shared work with poetry friends in smaller numbers (less group, more #girlgang). Deadlines and feedback have been critical to my growth as a writer and one sure way to get this is through sharing your work regularly in a writers group.

But you have to have the right group. Nothing will curdle your writer’s soul faster than poorly given input on your precious paragraphs. How to find the group you need? Sometimes you have to build it yourself. Here are a few suggestions to help with that process:

You likely know a few other writers; possibly people you know fairly well, or just seen around town at different readings.  Make a list of writers working in the same genre who might be open to sharing work. It’s best to work with writers working in the same genre – if you work in more than one genre, writing both poetry and young adult novels for example, then you might want to consider two groups. Consider a mix of both new writers and people with more experience. It always helps to have a mix of perspectives and even writers already published may still want someone to review their work as well.

And if you are the only writer you know, try to get out more. Go to literary readings, workshops, events at the local library, or other meet-ups where you know you’ll meet fellow writers.

Perspective and personality matters. Look for people you would otherwise enjoy spending time with, and while not everyone has to be perky and cheerful all the time, a group filled with bitter cynics will find it hard to generate the support everyone needs and to maintain the emotional connection required to keep the group going over time. Look for people you anticipate will be able to provide support and encouragement to fellow writers, along with discerning comments on how the writing can improve.

Once you have a sense of writers you might like to work with, give some thought to the kind of group experience you want to have. It helps to have some guidelines in advance to share with people to give everyone a sense of how the group will operate, so people know what to expect. Some questions to consider:

  • Are you inviting people to join a monthly writers circle where one person’s work is reviewed and work-shopped at each session, or something more frequent?
  • How many stories or poems or novel chapters or scenes will you review in one session?
  • Will you review just the work written by members of the group, or will you also look at some published work as well? (One group I belonged to used to read and discuss New Yorker stories in addition to the work of our members.)
  • Are you planning to spend time writing together in the same space, or just reviewing prepared drafts?
  • Will you review work a second and third time, or does everyone just get the one kick at the can?
  • Giving some thought to how you want the group to operate at a practical level will help people understand what they might be committing to…a group of 6 people reviewing one story monthly means members have to commit to bringing at least 2 stories a year, for example. Smaller groups mean the writers have to generate work more regularly in order for the group to maintain momentum.

Some of this the group will work out together, but you may want to think about these issues a bit yourself first before you ask people to join your group.

Oh yeah, you’ll need to ask people to join your group! Don’t be nervous — a simple “Would you be interested in joining a writing group?” might be all it takes. And don’t take it personally if people would rather not, or if they already have a group. (If the first person you ask already has one, maybe you can ask to join theirs!)

It may take a while to pull the group together but keep at it — it’s worth the effort to find just the right people to share your work with, and you’ll find yourself feeling less lonely as a writer if you have friends with whom you can share the joys and challenges of the creation process.

Unless you’re meeting online, you’ll need a physical space to meet. One group I was part of met in the back room of a pub, and that generally worked fine – though we did get to hear a ukulele group and a men’s chorus next door on different evenings, and sometimes we forgot to reserve the space in advance and had to find a quiet corner. But often, groups rotate from one member’s house to another, with other members bringing refreshments to share, and this can allow for both privacy and comfort.

Once you have a few people together and know the genre the group will work in and some of the logistical questions are out of the way, there’s still the question of creating and maintaining a supportive environment. You really want to have a conversation up front – in your very first meeting, if not when you invite the person to join – that sets the tone for how people will treat one another in the group. Discuss expectations and emphasize the need for constructive and supportive feedback.

How do writers groups work in practice? Here’s a suggested agenda based on successful writing groups I’ve worked with:

Connect – as people arrive, allot some time just to say hello and share personal news. This builds trust but also helps group members know what else is happening in someone’s life that might be affecting their writing practice.

Share – invite people to discuss what they are working on at the moment, the challenges they are facing (both mindset and technical/craft issues) and any recent successes such as work completed, new publications or grants received. Successful groups also share info about possible writing opportunities, as well as reading suggestions.

Compliment – start the feedback session with a round of what each person found positive about the work at hand. You can do this as a round-table exercise or just ask each person to start with the positive when they offer their comments. There’s *always* something positive you can say.

Critique – comments offered should always be in the spirit of constructive criticism. Members are asked to read the work and critique it on its own terms. This means taking the writer’s original intent into account, to the extent it is evident in the work at hand, and working hard to give comments that will help improve the work without turning it into something it was never meant to be.

Reflection – ideally, the writer whose work is being critiqued has been silent during the feedback round. (This can be harder than it looks but is really important.) When the feedback is finished, now the writer can reflect back what they’ve heard and how they think that fits with what they’re trying to achieve, as well as ask further questions for clarification.

Close – make a date for the next meeting and decide who’s hosting as well as who’s in the hot seat with new work for the next time around.

 

And I’m a big fan of wine and snacks — I can’t honestly think of a writers group I’ve been to that didn’t have wine involved, but I just might not have stuck around long enough to remember!

Some of my closest friends have come from writing groups I’ve been a part of, and some of the best conversations I’ve had about the writing process have been in their wine-soaked living rooms. It’s been a true highlight of my writing life.

I wish you great luck in finding your perfect writing group.

In solidarity,

–Rhonda

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5 Reasons Why You Need a Writing Mentor, How to Find One and What (Not) To Expect

Nothing has made more difference to my writing life than working with mentors — writers with more experience than I had at the time who could encourage me to push myself and my writing further than I know I’d have been able to do working on my own. I can’t say enough about how that has transformed my poetry, fiction and non-fiction work. If you think your work could benefit from an experienced set of eyes, here are 5 good reasons to find a writing mentor, along with what and what not to expect once you find them

Deadlines

Working with a writing mentor will mean external deadlines. Based on mutual agreement, you’ll identify a regular time period for you to submit your work and receive feedback. If you are the kind of self-disciplined angel who takes deadlines seriously no matter who sets them, then may life continue to shower blessings in your general direction. For the rest of us, having a set time by which we must deliver a poem or story or manuscript to someone else can help get over the internal hurdles we have to force ourselves to jump to get to the page. My own experience is that an external deadline keeps me going when I would otherwise throw in the towel, or possibly use it to strangle my protagonist.

Feedback

Having someone else read your work with a caring but critical eye will change your work and your writing life for the better. Very rarely do I publish anything that hasn’t been reviewed by at least one other person in some form. This isn’t because I don’t trust my own voice, but because it’s one sure tactic to help close the gap between how I envision a work in my mind’s eye and how it turns out on the page from the initial impulse.

In a writing mentor, you want someone who knows how to give detailed editorial feedback at both a structural and language level and who can do so with care and encouragement. “Always Avoid Assholes” is good general life advice (my kingdom for this on a cross-stitched pillow!) but essential when choosing a writing mentor. Your writing life will be hard enough without having to rehabilitate your creative spirit on a regular basis because you’ve been bullied into thinking you might as well give up.

Challenge

You also don’t want to be babied and cajoled into thinking that it isn’t necessary for you to do the hard work of revising and editing your own work. I mean, I guess it’s possible that you are the only writer in the world to have written a perfect poem or story in its first draft straight out of the gate, but those odds seem slim to me. If you find yourself routinely loving the sound of your own voice on the page, you might want to consider getting an honest (caring and critical) review of your work.

Every writer – even the most lauded and most experienced — has areas in which they can improve. (And every writer knows it, no matter how confidently they present themselves to the public.) Honest feedback has transformed my work over the years and I am deeply grateful to the writers who have helped that happen. I flat out adore them – what an incredible gift they’ve given me. Look for someone who’ll push you beyond what you think you can do.

Encouragement

You want to be challenged, even though it may (will) sting a little at times. But writers also need encouragement. Sometimes I feel that writers should greet one another with “I love your sentences” instead of “hello” and we’d all feel so much better. When you hate your writing, you hate your life and you probably crap all over yourself and think you’ll never string a strong phrase together again. The temptation to give up – on this poem, this story, this essay, this sodding whole writing endeavour – comes in waves and those waves can be strong.

I once decided to learn surfing on a work trip in South Africa and promptly broke a toe not ten minutes in the water – this is what writing feels like to me. Constantly being pounded by the surf of “not good enough.” And some of this is right and good for the work but still hard on the soul. A good writing mentor can help counteract some of this by pointing out the specific ways in which your work sings and how to strengthen what is croaking or only coming through in a whisper. They can give you an extra boost of faith in your work, even just by reflecting back to you and reminding you of your mutual love of the craft.

Inspiration

The best writing mentor will be a working writer. S/he/they will be getting the job done for themselves, showing up to write in the middle of the day job, the kids, the aging parents, the dog barfing on the rug. They will be actively engaged with improving their own work and reading constantly. If your writing mentor doesn’t once suggest to you that maybe you ought to read this book or examine this writer’s work more closely, then ask them. Use their own commitment to their work and your mutual love of the written word to inspire you to fail better.

 

How to Find a Writing Mentor

There are multiple ways to skin this particular cat. (Sorry kitty.) Finding the right mentor comes down to knowing what you and your work need at this particular time in your development as a writer.

Note: some of these suggestions involve workshops or courses where you also share your work with other writers. Think of this as a bonus – feedback and new friends in one go! – or as insurance, in case the workshop leader doesn’t fall in love with your work with the adoration you know it deserves. Hey, it happens.

Try an online writing workshop

How to get the most from a writing workshop is another post for another time. But this is probably the easiest low-barrier entry to getting feedback on your work. In some courses, you will only get the feedback of your peers also attending the workshop, but in some there’s also an experienced writer at the helm to lead discussions and provide additional feedback. Several writer friends have done Sarah Selecky’s courses at www.storyisastateofmind.com and been very happy with the results. (Feedback and new writer friends in one go!)

There’s also a longer course (and a bit more expensive) available at Humber College, where you can indicate a preference for a particular mentor and work with them over 9 months.  I did this programme many years ago now, working with Canadian short fiction author Elizabeth Harvor who is a favourite author of mine and whose feedback really helped me grow to the point where I was ready for the MFA.

If you want to do more with the technical skills required for editing your own work, Joan Dempsey offers an interesting online option. I haven’t done this course myself but it looks fantastic and Joan shares free resources and tips via her blog and email list.

Consider courses in the real world

A fair number of universities and colleges offer creative writing workshops, sometimes in conjunction with a visiting writer in residence. Even if these are part of degree programmes, sometimes you can register to participate as a special student. These will often be 1.5-3 hour small group sessions once or twice a week where you can meet other writers and share work. Ideally, the professor teaching the course will also be a working writer.

Often, working writers will be offering short workshops in your community. These can be engaging and affordable options and a great way to get feedback on your work and meet other students in person with whom you can connect after the course is over. (Maybe a few of you might like to start a writing group together when the workshop finishes?) 8-week courses where I live are about $200 – amazing value for 8 weeks of regular writing connection and feedback. Again, the best courses are usually run by working writers who know what it takes to continuously improve their writing and get it published. You might find these through signs in coffee shops, libraries or bookstores, or by asking around.

If you find yourself in a real-world course, take advantage of office hours to go see the writer leading the workshop to help them remember who you are and begin to build a relationship. “Hi, please can we build a relationship?” will get you put on a security watchllist – just chill and ask questions to help improve your work, perhaps suggest (or offer to lend) a book they might like. Join in for those drinks or coffee after class if/when they happen, and attend any readings held by the writer during your workshop period. (If you can afford it, buy the book or ask for it at the library.)

Retreats

Ah, the Rolls-Royce of writing workshops. This is where you travel to a beautiful location and someone feeds you and makes your bed while you write all day long and drink with other writers in the evening. Perhaps you have your own little writing cottage and someone leaves your lunch in a wee basket on the stoop. Or perhaps there’s a large dining room complete with dessert buffet, and you go hiking with the other writers to work off the large stack of pancakes you eat at breakfast. Likely some of your writing heroes teach here and you can be awestruck over pancakes. And if you stay long enough (2 weeks? 5 weeks? 8 months? How long is a piece of string?) and work hard, you may find your work completely transformed when you leave.

The downside of this option more than anything else is the cost.

Ask

Particularly in the literary world, writers are often supplementing their pathetic incomes with teaching or mentoring other writers. Identify two or three writers you admire and can reach through email or FaceBook or friends. (Margaret Atwood is unlikely to reply to your emails. If she does, ask her if she’d mentor me, would you?) Then just write an ask them if they would consider a paid mentoring arrangement and if they say yes, follow up to be clear about expectations.

 

What to Expect from a Writing Mentor

Deadlines and Feedback

Speaking of expectations, of course you should expect deadlines to be set and detailed feedback on your work – according to what is agreed at the start of the course or arrangement. The level of feedback offered may vary, from overall structural notes to line edits, so try to be clear up front what you can expect to receive and when. (Then of course, you have to live up to your end of the bargain and submit work on time.)

Encouragement

Regardless of your level of experience, do expect to be encouraged in your efforts. I don’t mean someone blowing sunshine at you constantly or vague unwarranted praise to boost your self-esteem – if that really is what you need, then a writing mentor is not where you’ll find it. But you should be left with a sense as to how you can improve your work and that you are capable of improving it. Any shining places in your work should be pointed out as much as its deficits. Experienced mentors will always do both. If you are not getting encouragement, leave that relationship behind you as soon as you possibly can, hopefully before it does any lasting damage.

Reading Suggestions

If you’re in a workshop or course, you can expect to read the work of other writers and be asked to provide some feedback to them as well. (See here for how to thrive in a writing workshop.) Use the opportunity to become better at doing close reading and making constructive editing suggestions – this is an essential skill for editing your own work as well. And if you can make a writing friend or two, so much the better!

Payment

Yes, you should pay. Don’t be the person towing your latest 300-page manuscript along to a reading to ask the writer to review it for you. Going rates at the moment run from $75/hour to $125/hour. Online courses seem to run in the $300 and up, depending on length and amount of dedicated time from individuals, and offline/real world courses range from $200 to $600 depending on where they are held. Retreat centre programmes and longer term study can be in the $1500-3000 range (plus any lost wages while you are in paradise) and an MFA costs about $25,000 or so and takes 2 years of your life, plus possibly some hair.

A mentoring relationship really only works if you do the hard work of hearing and re-engaging to revise and edit your own work. Like everything else, the learning is in the writing. If you have an astute mentor and do the hard work, you can absolutely expect your writing to improve and may, if lucky, end up with a transformed relationship to your own writing.

 

What Not to Expect

A New BFF

All of that said, do not expect your writing mentor to become your new BFF. Of course, it may happen that you do become friends (or warm, supportive acquaintances) over time but it’s not a loss if you don’t. The trick to getting the most out of a mentoring relationship is to stay focused on what you want to achieve with your work. Strangely enough, it’s also a good way to build relationships with other writers who love writing – including possibly your mentor.

Nights, Weekends and Holidays

Don’t expect your writing mentor to offer you tonnes of extra free time. Of course you should expect them to spend the time on your work that you are paying for, but be realistic about the time it will take to read your work, think deeply about it in order to engage productively, provide comments and edits, and to discuss the work with you. Some mentors will also provide reading suggestions tailored to where you are in your learning process and what you’re trying to achieve with the work in question. All of this takes time. If you find yourself receiving on occasion a little more than you paid for as your mentor gets excited about what you’re doing together, be aware and grateful – but don’t expect this.

Intros to agents & editors

I do know of a few cases where writing mentors did become BFFs with an emerging writer, critiqued their work over and above paid time and then introduced them to an agent or editor, whereupon the writer(s) went on to publish and acclaim. (Full disclosure: my first poetry book happened that way. Hate me now or hate me later.) It happens of course, but it is rare and no one making even part of their living in this way can afford to constantly expend their social capital to introduce yet another writer to their agent or editor. Again, stay focused on improving the work in front of you and leave the rest aside. Sometimes you get what you don’t expect but most often that’s through not expecting anything in the first place. (Zen koan, that.)

Sex

Sleeping with your mentor is gross and will lose you the respect of other writers as word gets around. (And it will.) Don’t do it. Any hint of this coming from your mentor should be a huge warning sign – run fast in the opposite direction.

 

Other Ways to Get Feedback

There are other ways to get feedback on your writing, if you are just starting to ask people to look at your work or have been walking this path for a while.

Some people rely on family and loved ones as first readers. This is a no-no for me, because I want to keep loving my loved ones and I know I would never forgive them if they hated my work. Ha! Kidding! (Not kidding.) But if you are more grow’d-up than I am, you might want to consider asking family members who actively read in the genre in which you’re writing. Don’t give your poetry to someone who hates poetry, or your Munro-esque short stories to someone who only reads urban fantasy. If I read George R.R. Martin’s early drafts, I would advise him to ixnay on all the illagingpay and apingray, but that would probably be bad advice for George R.R. Martin. You do you, but raise your artistic standards and only take writing advice from someone qualified to give it.

If you can make a small band of writer friends, then sharing work back and forth to comment constructively can be hugely useful. You want to be sure they know how to offer critique that is constructive and caring, and you want to offer that to them in return….so your writing friends remain your writing friends. We are sensitive beasts and loathe to hang around with people who are dismissive of our work, even if they’re buying.

You might consider starting up a writing group and effectively setting up mentoring relationships among peers. My post next week will be all about how to do that without hating everyone and yourself in the bargain.

I hope you find the mentor you need, one who inspires you to read more, write more and rewrite as needed.

Yours in solidarity,

–Rhonda

 

 

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Arc Poetry Launch: The Reconciliation Issue

Arc Poetry Magazine will be launching the fall themed issue and this is a critically important one, speaking of issues! Guest Editor Armand Ruffo has worked with the Editorial Board to curate a thought-provoking collection of poetry, reviews and essays on the theme of Reconciliation & De-colonization. There’s a lot to say, and even more to be heard. Do come out and join us!

This is my last issue as Poetry Editor with Arc so I am particularly pleased to have worked with Armand on this important issue. Really looking forward to hearing some amazing poets read, including David Groulx, Joshua Whitehead and Shannon Webb-Campbell.

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Ottawa International Writers Festival

Excited to be hosting again at the Ottawa International Writers Festival!

On October 21, 2017, come out to the In This Together event and hear Martha Baillie, Ahmad Danny Ramadan, and Catherine Hernandez read from their latest books. Bring your Qs for the As from the panel with these incredibly talented writers.

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Refresh Your Writing Life: Summer Edition

CALLING OTTAWA POETS AND SHORT FICTION WRITERS!
A ONE-DAY WRITING WORKSHOP TO REFRESH YOUR WRITING LIFE AND HELP YOU GET MORE WRITING DONE THIS SUMMER.

Saturday June 24th 10am to 4pm
Nectar Centre, New Edinburgh

This reflective one-day workshop is ideal for writers working in poetry and short fiction. We’ll review writing goals and practices, set intentions for the summer months and make plans to get more writing done on your current personal writing project. Guided writing exercises will help generate momentum and we’ll make plans for mutual accountability over the next 8 weeks. When September comes, what will you have achieved in your writing life?

Included in the day are coffee/tea/juice, morning and afternoon snacks, a hot lunch, reading suggestions and a fresh new notebook and pen! (PLUS: weekly accountability check-ins for July and August.) Cost for the day is $75, payable in advance to reserve your spot. Limited spots available at the venue so please book early. Email Rhonda Douglas to reserve: douglas.rhonda1@gmail.com

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